well hmmm...
my next bike should be abs i guess... unless i like to powerslide .... locking up rear is not fun that's all i have to say.
(11-11-2008 01:43 PM)chiller Wrote: [ -> ]seems to be a discussion that goes thru all motorcyclist... i just wanted to post these 2 vids, now i do realize that the guy on the non abs bike he seems to turn the handle bars at just the right moment to cause the bike to skid sideways, BUT having said that i do believe that the extra distance between the non abs and abs equipped bikes is probably about right in these conditions...
The non-abs person may have stopped sooner if they had not locked up the brakes. I seem to remember that somewhere from drivers ed classes years ago.
I'm not disagreeing that ABS is better. In fact my next new touring motorcycle will have ABS, just because it is safer.
(11-11-2008 01:52 PM)wobblycat Wrote: [ -> ]Nice training wheels
Those training wheels would make navigating the twisties very difficult.
(11-11-2008 01:51 PM)tint Wrote: [ -> ] (11-11-2008 01:43 PM)chiller Wrote: [ -> ]seems to be a discussion that goes thru all motorcyclist... i just wanted to post these 2 vids, now i do realize that the guy on the non abs bike he seems to turn the handle bars at just the right moment to cause the bike to skid sideways, BUT having said that i do believe that the extra distance between the non abs and abs equipped bikes is probably about right in these conditions...
The non-abs person may have stopped sooner if they had not locked up the brakes. I seem to remember that somewhere from drivers ed classes years ago.
I'm not disagreeing that ABS is better. In fact my next new touring motorcycle will have ABS, just because it is safer.
in sand and wet conditions i don't think so, the static friction of a stopped tire is 'over ruled' by the fact that there is less friction to begin with ... the rolling friction of a moving tire i think in wet/sandy conditions wins.... this of course is opposite truth if you were to say its dry conditions, in dry conditions the non abs would win if he kept i straight
this is not to be confused with snow ... snow locking wheels you 'COULD' stop faster without abs in certain circumstances because you can snowplow and build up the amount of snow in front of you the abs equipped car does not have that option, snow is something dif. altogether...
There have been a lot of tests done to try and determine which is better.An experienced rider is capable of getting a slightly shorter distance out of a non abs bike.However,in the real world,it's obviously different.Abs will save your butt eventually.That's why i think all manufacturers will have standard abs on all bikes in the not too distant future.It's probably a liability issue.
Six pack VS beer belly.
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A common argument some riders make is that they can threshold brake and achieve shorter stopping distances on a non-ABS equipped bike vs. an ABS equipped bike. This statement is false.
Consider this...the primary function of the ABS computer is to unlock your wheel(s) after you have locked it up. If you somehow had the god-like ability to threshold brake perfectly every time, then ABS would be completely transparent to you. You would never lock your wheel(s) up, hence the ABS system would never need to kick in. Your stopping distances would be completely identical regardless of whether or not the bike in question had ABS.
This renders the argument that "I can stop in a shorter distance than the ABS computer, so the ABS bike is inferior" a moot point. If you are really skilled enough to outbrake the ABS computer, then adding ABS to your bike will not magically increase your stopping distance. However, seeing as there is no such perfect rider, there is no reason NOT to have ABS, for those one or two occasions where you might be caught by surprise in a panic stop.
haha i guess i should have put capitals on ABS ... LOL
I like that the non ABS has the training wheels and the ABS doesn't. Makes me really wish I had waited for an ABS bike.
do they sell those training wheels?...I'm interested in getting a set...seriously...
you know i was thinking about making a comment yesterday that you should get them.... but looks like I was right... you do need them.
I usually won't weigh in on these topics because it's all about sensationalism and not worth the argument... but look at those videos again. They are selling people on ABS so they have to make it spectacular. Both riders are told to lock up the brakes in each situation. And the result is very predictably what you see in the video. I mean, duh! What did you expect would happen? The whole purpose of ABS is so that the brakes will not remain locked up and so you can control the vehicle.
Brian, you are missing the point about the argument of threshold braking vs ABS - remember ABS is not about stopping distances, but about control. If you never activate the ABS then it's as if you don't have it on the bike. If you use the ABS, your stopping distance will increase, BUT, you will retain control of the bike/car and be able to (hopefully) get out of the bad situation (via steering). Also remember that ABS systems have different points at which they become active, and some activate earlier before lockup than others. ABS is a good thing, no question, and the better more recent systems are very good at deciding when to activate. But it's still up to the rider/driver to control their vehicle.
Remember, there are several situations that ABS is actually a liability compared to non ABS, but for most of the time and most people (ie. 99% of all driving), ABS will probably save your bacon when you do something dumb. If you're a skilled enough driver/rider to never do anything dumb and always use your brakes perfectly, then ABS is completely useless. In the past I've been anti-ABS due to the intrusiveness and early response of the systems, but with the improvements in the technology those arguments have been dealt with. If it's affordable, why anyone wouldn't go with ABS is beyond me. Just remember what it is for! It is there to help control the vehicle in case of a little over-exuberance with the brakes. It will not stop you from crashing if you are going too fast for conditions, and it is not the miracle cure. And it will most certainly not help you decrease your stopping distances - that's not what it was designed to do, though it may effectively have that result in certain situations.
